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== NHLE and false positives ==
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The harv no-target error list has recently been inundated with pages that invoke the National Heritage List for England template. It is proudly non-standard (as admitted in the documentation) but hasn't been flagged until now. I don't know how the error list is generated but it does seem to be picking up errors that were ignored before.

I discovered a slightly suspect way to suppress the false positive errors. If there is more than one invocation of NHLE, the parameter "fewer-links" can be set to yes to suppress redundant links to National Heritage. If you set the second instance of this parameter to "x", no errors are raised. If all the instances are already set to "x", set one to "yes". I've worked through the "A" section of the error list but this "fix" is not intuitive and I wonder if I should continue or stop until a better solution is found.

It's been very disheartening to see the list swell with these new errors.
[[User:Andy02124|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124|talk]]) 18:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
:Those error messages were purportedly caused by a security 'fix' at MediaWiki which has since, apparently been refixed. A null edit will probably be sufficient to undo the effects of the security fix.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:42, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. The problem seems to have resolved itself without any intervention on my part. Good to see the percent resolved back over 80.
::[[User:Andy02124|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124|talk]]) 19:01, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

== Mgwirizano Coalition sfn false positive? ==

I just now expanded [[Mgwirizano Coalition]] and, in the process, redid the citations a little bit for the original citation style was a thrown-in reference. I looked at my edit history after by chance and saw that it was tagged with "harv or sfn errors." I only used sfn, and there are only 4 such citations present, and they all seem to work to my knowledge? Anyone willing to take a glance to see if it is a false positive or if I made a mistake with them? [[User:Banana61904|Banana61904]] ([[User talk:Banana61904|talk]]) 11:47, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
:They're not working. There are misspellings of Lembeni / Lembani, and Kadima & Lembani (2006) is mistakenly referred to as Kadima & Denis (2006). -- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 12:52, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
::I kept re-looking at it and just did not realize it a single time. Thank you and apologies for that one!
::(Is there any way then to delete this topic perhaps or is it stuck here?) [[User:Banana61904|Banana61904]] ([[User talk:Banana61904|talk]]) 18:06, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
:::You're most welcome, and there's no need to apologise. // It's not stuck. As is custom, this page has an automatic archiving mechanism (which I just shortened to 120 days), so this section will eventually be archived. [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 02:35, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

== [[0-2-4]] False positive ==

Can someone please fix this one? I see Baxter1984 is listed on the "Module:Footnotes/whitelist" but I have no idea why the Baster1984 ref is still throwing a false positive in this article. Thanks. - [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 18:27, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:Change the template in [[0-2-4]] to {{tlx|Baxter-BritishLocoCat4}} or add {{tlx|Baxter: British Locomotive Catalogue 1825–1923}} to the <syntaxhighlight lang="lua" inline="1">['CITEREFBaxter1984']</syntaxhighlight> entry at [[Module:Footnotes/whitelist#L-491|Module:Footnotes/whitelist line 491]].
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, {{u|Trappist the monk}} I *would* gladly do the adding to line 491 but I can't edit that Module because I'm not a Template editor or an administrator. I would rather have it "corrected" at the whitelist because that would fix any other possible issues rambing around WP (rather than just fixing the problem at the individual article [[0-2-4]]). If you could do that?...Thanks! [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 20:03, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Edit done by Editor [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]].
:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:00, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{u|Redrose64}} I see you've done the others, could you add 'Baxter: British Locomotive Catalogue 1825–1923' to CITEREFBaxter1984 and CITEREFBaxter1988 as well? -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 21:24, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Bless you all. Thanks so much. - [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 02:03, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

== Cite Q False positive ==

{{cite Q |Q138049061 |last=Shirer |first=William Lawrence |author-link=William L. Shirer }} generates a false positive. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 16:29, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

:Adding {{para|year|1960}} will make it go away. This is a problem with Cite Q. Unless the correct fields exist as part of the cite on Wikipedia the code can't see it. If you add author and date fields it makes no difference to the way the cite is displayed, but allows the code to see them and makes the false positive go away. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 16:34, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks. I suppose it's impossible to fix Cite Q to stop this happening? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 16:44, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::I've raised it on the talk page of the cite Q template twice before, there seems to be no desire to do anything about it. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 16:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

== Coflein false positives ==

*{{Coflein|num=303046 |desc=Tomen Castell, Dolwyddelan|access-date=24 November 2025|mode=cs2|fewer-links=yes |ref={{sfnref|RCAHMW 303046}} }}
*{{Coflein|num=95299 |desc=Dolwyddelan Castle|access-date=24 November 2025|mode=cs2|fewer-links=yes |ref={{sfnref|RCAHMW 95299}} }}
*{{Coflein|num=275728 |desc=Six Inscribed Stones in St Tudclud's Church, Penmachno|access-date=24 November 2025|mode=cs2|fewer-links=yes |ref={{sfnref|RCAHMW 275728}} }}

produce false positives. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 16:31, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

:This will require a new pattern entry, which is a bit beyond me. The template is {{tl|Coflein}} and the pattern will be "RCAHMW" followed by a space, followed by a number between 0 and 999999. {{u|Hike395}} any chance you could help with this? -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 17:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}} Added. Note that by overriding {{para|ref}}, you may generate new false positives. I wrote the pattern entry to accomodate adding spaces in between RCAHMW and the digits, so these still work. — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 13:28, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks hike395. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 17:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
== cite TCOF02 ==

* {{cite TCOF02}} produces a false positive. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 16:55, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
*:That would be: ['CITEREFStevens1907'] = {'Cite TCOF02'}, Unfortunately without template rights we'll have to wait for someone else to add it. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 17:11, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 13:28, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

== A couple more causing false-positives ==

* <nowiki>{{Bauschke Combettes Convex Analysis and Monotone Operator Theory in Hilbert Spaces 2nd ed 2017}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{Boyd Vandenberghe Convex Optimization 2004}}</nowiki>

Thanks, [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 22:54, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|DuncanHill}} It would be helpful if you could give links to articles where the false negatives are occurring. — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 04:23, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::It would be helpful if people stopped making these fucking awful templates, but there we go. At least these two have meaningful names.
::Bauschke - [[Convex analysis]].
::Boyd - [[Convex analysis]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 08:12, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:Its helpful if you include the CITEREFs, as they are needed to whitelist the template. -- LCU '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]''' ''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°'' 12:55, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
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:{{tlx|Bauschke Combettes Convex Analysis and Monotone Operator Theory in Hilbert Spaces 2nd ed 2017}} and {{tlx|Boyd Vandenberghe Convex Optimization 2004}} don't seem to be used in sufficient quantities to warrant inclusion in the whitelist. Bauschke Combettes 2017 is used in [[Convex analysis]] and [[Strongly monotone operator]]; Boyd Vandenberghe 2004 is used in Convex analysis. Probably best to subst these templates where they exist or, if they must be kept as templates, use {{tlx|sfn whitelist}}.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
::Went ahead and subst'ed those templates, per Trappist — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 13:48, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

== False positive - Cite Morrison Broadway ==

* [[Template:Cite Morrison Broadway]] in [[August Wilson Theatre]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 13:41, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
::{{fixed}} — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

== False positives Cite SEP ==

[[Template:Cite SEP]] causing false-positives at [[Eternity]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:17, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
:In those two {{tlx|cite SEP}} templates use {{para|date|Fall 2018}} and {{para|date|Summer 2010}} instead of {{para|edition}}.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 20:40, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Harv_and_Sfn_no-target_errors&curid=217472&diff=1359361982&oldid=1359225463 this change] seems to have fixed it. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:51, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

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